{"id":2799,"date":"2019-02-01T19:06:03","date_gmt":"2019-02-01T19:06:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/?p=2799"},"modified":"2019-02-01T19:07:51","modified_gmt":"2019-02-01T19:07:51","slug":"the-changing-wisp-rf-landscape","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/the-changing-wisp-rf-landscape\/","title":{"rendered":"The changing WISP RF landscape"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, there have been some discussions on Facebook about waining support for 2.4GHZ .\u00a0 KP Performance\u00a0recently published a Future of 5GHZ and beyond blog post. So why all this focus on 5GHZ and why are people forgetting about 2.4?<\/p>\n<p>To answer this question, we need to update our thinking on the trends in networks, not just wireless networks.\u00a0 Customers are demanding more and more speed. Network backbones and delivery nodes have to be updated to keep up with this demand. For anything\u00a0but 802.11 wifi,2.4GHZ can&#8217;t keep up with the bandwidth needs.<\/p>\n<p>One of the significant limitations of many 2.4 radios is they use\u00a0frequency-hopping spread spectrum (FHSS) and\/or direct-sequence spread spectrum (DSSS) modulation. Due to 2.4GHZ being older, the chipsets have evolved around these modulation methods because of age.\u00a0 When you compare 2.4GHZ to 5GHZ radios running OFDM, you start to see a significant difference.\u00a0 In a nutshell, OFDM allows for higher throughput. If you want to read all about the differences in the protocols here ya go:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.answers.com\/Q\/Difference_between_ofdm_dsss_fhss\">http:\/\/www.answers.com\/Q\/Difference_between_ofdm_dsss_fhss<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Secondly, is the amount of spectrum available.\u00a0 More spectrum means more channels to use, which translates into a high chance of mitigating interference. This interference can be self-induced or from external sources. To use an analogy, the more rooms a building has, the more simultaneous conversations can happen without noise in 2.4GHZ we only have 3 non-overlapping channels at 20mhz. Remember the part about more and more customers wanting more bandwidth? In the wireless world, one of the ways to increase capacity on your APs is to increase the channel width. Once you increase 2.4 to 30 or 40 MHz, you do not have much room to deal with noise because your available channels have shrunk.<\/p>\n<p>One of the biggest arguments in support of using 2.4GHZ for a WISP environment is the physics.\u00a0 Lower frequencies penetrate trees and foliage better. As with anything, there is a tradeoff.\u00a0 As the signal is absorbed, so is the available &#8220;air time&#8221; for transmission of data.\u00a0 As the signal travels through stuff, the radios on both sides have to reduce their modulation rates to deal with the loss of signal.\u00a0 Lower modulation rates mean lower throughput for customers.\u00a0 This might be fine for customers who have no other choice.\u00a0 This thinking is not a long term play.<\/p>\n<p>With LTE especially, the traditional thinking is being uprooted.\u00a0 Multiple streams to the customer as well as various paths for the signal due to antenna stacking are allowing radios to penetrate this same foliage just as well as a 2.4 signal, but delivering more bandwidth. These systems are becoming more and more carrier class.\u00a0 As the internet evolves and becomes more and more critical, ISPs are having to step up their services.\u00a0 The FCC\u00a0 says the definition of broadband is at least 25 meg download. A 2.4 radio just can&#8217;t keep up in a WISP environment.\u00a0 I am seeing 10 meg becoming the minimum customers want. Can you get by with smaller packages? Yes, but how long can you maintain that as the customer demand grows?<\/p>\n<p>So what is the answer? Cell sizes are shrinking.\u00a0 This is helping 2.4 hold on.\u00a0 The less expensive radios can be deployed to less dense areas and still provide decent speeds to customers.\u00a0 This same trend allows 5GHZ cells to be deployed as well. With less things to go through, 5GHZ can perform in modern networks at higher modulation rates.\u00a0 Antenna manufacturers are also spending R&amp;D to get the most out of their 5GHZ antennas. More money in the pipeline means stronger products. My clients are typically deploying 3.65 and 5GHZ on their towers.\u00a0 LTE is changing RF WISP design and taking the place of 2.4 and 900.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, there have been some discussions on Facebook about waining support for 2.4GHZ .\u00a0 KP Performance\u00a0recently published a Future of 5GHZ and beyond blog post. So why all this focus on 5GHZ and why are people forgetting about 2.4? To answer this question, we need to update our thinking on the trends in networks, not [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2174,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false}}},"categories":[156,2],"tags":[721,722,56,723,652],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/03\/bandwidth-600x400.jpg?fit=600%2C400&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6VLMf-J9","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":2697,"url":"https:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/the-addition-of-rf-elements-horns-to-a-ptp550-link\/","url_meta":{"origin":2799,"position":0},"title":"The addition of RF elements horns to a PTP550 link","author":"j2sw","date":"December 21, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"In a previous series of articles we talked about a new Cambium 550 link and the noise challenges we had.\u00a0 You can start your reading in Part one and Part two. 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