{"id":1635,"date":"2017-07-08T06:12:40","date_gmt":"2017-07-08T06:12:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/?p=1635"},"modified":"2017-07-08T06:14:07","modified_gmt":"2017-07-08T06:14:07","slug":"antenna-interference-issues","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/antenna-interference-issues\/","title":{"rendered":"Antenna Interference issues"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, we had a client question why we didn&#8217;t mount antennas higher up on a tower with an FM repeater on it. The top of the tower has an FM repeater on it so we mounted the equipment about 25 feet below that.<\/p>\n<p>When you are talking about antennas and transmitters the basic thing to remember is it&#8217;s all radiation. \u00a0 Good antennas have predictable drop off patterns and, when paired with a good transmitter, have crisp frequency drop offs. \u00a0However, there is still radiation emitting from feedline and the antenna on the tower. Many FM repeaters use a dipole design. \u00a0Some are folded, others are different types. \u00a0Below is an antenna pattern from a Dipole antenna.<\/p>\n<p><img data-attachment-id=\"1636\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/antenna-interference-issues\/220px-vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_l1_3d\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/220px-Vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_L1_3D.jpg?fit=220%2C163\" data-orig-size=\"220,163\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"220px-Vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_L1_3D\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/220px-Vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_L1_3D.jpg?fit=220%2C163\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/220px-Vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_L1_3D.jpg?fit=220%2C163\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1636\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/220px-Vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_L1_3D.jpg?resize=220%2C163\" alt=\"\" width=\"220\" height=\"163\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p>As you can see there are a few patterns radiating from the antenna. \u00a0These patterns should be taken into consideration when mounting your equipment near FM, UHF, or VHF systems. Radiation may interfere with things such as your cat-5, or your PIM. \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/?p=1518\">In an earlier article<\/a>, I talk about low-pim cables and what affects PIM. \u00a0This is very important when you are deploying LTE gear. \u00a0RF radiation from high power transmitters can cause PIM issues if the wavelength happens to coincide with the wavelength of the other transmitter. \u00a0This does not mean they are on the same frequency. \u00a0Remember, in RF you have full wave, 3\/4,1\/2, and 1\/4 wavelengths to deal with.<\/p>\n<p>Other things to consider are near and far field patterns. \u00a0If you want some heavy reading you can <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Near_and_far_field\">read about it on Wikipedia<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img data-attachment-id=\"1637\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/antenna-interference-issues\/site\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/site.jpg?fit=480%2C853\" data-orig-size=\"480,853\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;1.9&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;SM-G920W8&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1496483564&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;4.3&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;40&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.0005787037037037&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"site\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/site.jpg?fit=169%2C300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/site.jpg?fit=480%2C853\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-1637\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/site.jpg?resize=169%2C300\" alt=\"\" width=\"169\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/site.jpg?resize=169%2C300 169w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/site.jpg?w=480 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 169px) 100vw, 169px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Our next issue and the most common issue is the radiation getting into our Ethernet\u00a0cables as well as our radios on the tower. \u00a0Below illustrates the propagation of signals coming out of an antenna on the top of the tower. \u00a0If you notice, some of the radiation is directed underneath of the antenna. Any equipment mounted too close underneath will be bombarded with radiation.<\/p>\n<p><img data-attachment-id=\"1638\" data-permalink=\"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/antenna-interference-issues\/images\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/images.jpg?fit=320%2C155\" data-orig-size=\"320,155\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"images\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/images.jpg?fit=300%2C145\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/images.jpg?fit=320%2C155\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-1638\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/images.jpg?resize=300%2C145\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"145\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/images.jpg?resize=300%2C145 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/images.jpg?w=320 320w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Too much radiation can cause link negotiation issues, \u00a0signal degradation, \u00a0and other issues. \u00a0By moving our antennas out of the patterns of other antennas we can make for a more reliable system. \u00a0This is one case where higher on the tower is not always better. Just because another antenna is not mounted in front of another it does not mean they are in each other&#8217;s radiated patterns.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, we had a client question why we didn&#8217;t mount antennas higher up on a tower with an FM repeater on it. The top of the tower has an FM repeater on it so we mounted the equipment about 25 feet below that. When you are talking about antennas and transmitters the basic thing to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1636,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false}}},"categories":[418,51,156,8],"tags":[449,422,203,419,93,53],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/220px-Vpol_dual_band_blade_antenna_blade_L1_3D.jpg?fit=220%2C163","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6VLMf-qn","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1187,"url":"http:\/\/www.mtin.net\/blog\/wisps-growing-up-in-the-tower-industry-part-1\/","url_meta":{"origin":1635,"position":0},"title":"WISPS growing up in the tower industry Part 1","author":"j2sw","date":"May 10, 2016","format":false,"excerpt":"As more and more Wireless ISPs (WISPS) get into licensed microwaves, bigger antennas, and fiber up the tower (FUTT) they are getting into an arena typically reserved just for the Cellular and broadcast folks. \u00a0This can result in an overwhelming amount of things to deal with. 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